Fox News: The O’Reilly Factor
April 25, 2008
 
 
O'REILLY: But now tonight, soft story Newt Gingrich reacting to political events. He joins us now in Washington. He's a busy guy. His book "Real Change" is -- continues to be on the nonfiction bestseller list. Then on Monday, he's got a fiction book coming out , "Day of Infamy, follow-up to "Pearl Harbor."
 
So you are a machine, Mr.
 
NEWT GINGRICH: Well, I just write on a lot of airplanes.
 
O'REILLY: You - I mean, all right, now let's get to Wright. How bad is Wright hurting Obama? Right now, how bad is he hurting him?
 
GINGRICH: I think significantly. And I think coming out, I mean, your point is exactly right. Senator Obama should beg him to hide, go away, take a vacation, come back the week after the election. Every time that Reverend Wright shows up somewhere, he reminds most Americans how deeply they disliked some of his statements about America. And they're not explainable. They're not excusable.
 
So I think that it is -- and apparently he's going to come to the National Press Club and give a speech explaining black theology.
 
O'REILLY: On Monday, he's doing that, yes.
 
GINGRICH: I don't think any of these things are helpful. I don't quite know what Wright's trying to do.
 
O'REILLY: Did Moyers ever interview you? Did you ever sit with him?
 
GINGRICH: No, he never did.
 
O'REILLY: Can you figure this guy out, Moyers?
 
GINGRICH: Sure. Bill Moyers is a hard left sympathizer for anybody who dislikes America. And Reverend Wright's sort of his perfect interview. He doesn't lay -- from what I've seen so far and the things that I've read tonight from the interview tonight, he doesn't lay a glove on him.
 
O'REILLY: No.
 
GINGRICH: Doesn't ask for challenges.
 
O'REILLY: Right.
 
GINGRICH: It's pathetic.
 
O'REILLY: OK.
 
GINGRICH: Your word was exactly right. It's the word I was thinking actually as you were talking.
 
O'REILLY: You know, it's -- we're going to wait and see the whole interview before we really hang Moyers, but Bernie's warming up. And you know, but enough's enough with this.
 
Now this week Pennsylvania went to, as everyone knows, Hillary Clinton. But there's still a lot of uncertainty in the air, even though most of the commentators and most of the press are saying Obama's got it locked and there's no way she can beat him. How do you see it going forward?
 
GINGRICH: No, first of all, I don't think that's true. If she ends up beating him in Indiana, which is hard because it's his next door neighbor state, 20 percent of Indiana gets Chicago television. You know, Illinois is the neighbor to the west. And he has a lot of advantages there.
 
But if she ends up beating him in Indiana, this is a wide-open race. Every time we turn around, something new happens. And Senator Obama is gradually decaying. And the fact is that an awful lot of Democratic delegates have to start worrying that he is in the McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis tradition, and that come this fall, he'll simply collapse.
 
O'REILLY: OK, but look, let's say North Carolina goes to Obama, which it will because s she's not even going to campaign there very much. She doesn't have the money to do so. So he gets the big North Carolina hit. He gets big delegates. And he gets big popular vote.
 
And then let's say Indiana's close. We can't call it. The polls are too close right now, but it's close either way. So Obama then racks up more popular vote and more delegates. He comes out of that in 10 days even more ahead than he is now. I don't see on this earth how the Democratic party could deny Barack Obama after -- if that happens, if that scenario happens, the nomination. He can't, unless he blows up with something else.
 
GINGRICH: First of all, the only reason he's ahead right now is that people refuse to count either Florida or Michigan.
 
O'REILLY: But that's not going to be counted though. They're just not going to be counted - it's not going to happen.
 
GINGRICH: OK. So the Democratic convention ought to have a 48-star flag because two states don't exist.
 
O'REILLY: That's the way it's going to be.
 
GINGRICH: But my point is, she beat him in Florida by such a big margin that if you add those in, she's ahead in popular vote.
 
O'REILLY: But you can't add them in because it wasn't a sanctioned race. And he can say I didn't campaign there, I didn't spend a lot of money there, I didn't do x, y, and z. And those are legit. Listen, I'm sticking for Barack Obama on this one. That's legitimate.
 
GINGRICH: I'm proud of you.
 
O'REILLY: I mean.
 
GINGRICH: No, look, I think if they end up going to a convention in Denver, and neither Michigan nor Florida is seated, and she -- let's say, for instance, she wins Indiana, she wins Kentucky, she wins Puerto Rico, she wins West Virginia. All of a sudden, if you add in Florida, she is ahead.
 
O'REILLY: But you can't.
 
GINGRICH: Now the only way that Obama can claim -- the only way that Obama can claim to be ahead is to say Florida doesn't count, Michigan doesn't count.
 
O'REILLY: But he can legitimately say that because he didn't campaign there the way he would have if it had been a regular primary. Plus he's going to take Oregon and a few other states, smaller.
 
Look, the likely scenario is they do go after June 3rd that he's ahead in the popular vote, a good, significant lead in the popular vote. And then he's ahead in delegates. And I'm telling you, if they go into some super delegate, you know, mojo and come out with her as the nominee, the Democratic party is going to be almost damaged beyond repair. I'll give you the last word on this.
 
GINGRICH: I think that that could be true both ways. If there are very many more revelations about Senator Obama, he may be as devastating a nominee as she would be.
 
O'REILLY: That's another issue. I mean, if there's more stuff on - and I think that's what the Clintons are hoping for, that some more stuff comes out and the whole thing blows up.
 
Now, we're going to hold the speaker over. And I'm going to give him some jazz because he's in a TV commercial with Nancy Pelosi. And I'm a bit confused. We're going to show you the commercial. It's a riot. I love this commercial.
 
And then later, Laura Ingraham is angry with Planned Parenthood over aborting black fetuses. Wait `till you hear the tape that goes a long with this story. Coming up as "The Factor" continues all across the USA and all around the world.
 
O'REILLY: Continuing now with former Speaker of the House and current FOX News analyst Newt Gingrich. You may have noticed there are a series of television commercials running, pairing unlikely people like Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson there. The commercials are produced by Al Gore's company, and are designed to bring awareness to environmental concern s. Now, we got a kick out of seeing the latest one. Nancy Pelosi and Mr. Gingrich.
 
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
 
NANCY PELOSI: Hi, I'm Nancy Pelosi, lifelong Democrat and speaker of the house.
 
NEWT GINGRICH: And I'm Newt Gingrich, lifelong Republican and I used to be speaker.
 
PELOSI: We don't always see eye to eye, do we, Newt?
 
GINGRICH: No,, but we do agree our country must take action to address climate change.
 
PELOSI: We need cleaner forms of energy and we need them fast.
 
GINGRICH: If enough of us demand action from our leaders, we can spark the innovation we need.
 
PELOSI: Go to wecansolveit.org. Together we can do this.
 
(END VIDEO CLIP)
 
O'REILLY: You know, she's looking rather adoringly at you. You know, it's kind of like Hansel and Gretel there. You know? You guys should have been in leder hosen. I -- she really looks like she likes you.
 
GINGRICH: What a way to spend a Friday evening getting you raking me over the coals.
 
O'REILLY: Tell me about Nancy Pelosi. She won't talk to me. In fact, she tried to get me fired because I made a joke out of San Francisco. They didn't want the military. The next time, there was a terror attack around their own. But tell me about Nancy Pelosi? Do you like her? Do you have a cordial relationship with her?
 
GINGRICH: She is -- look, she is a very tough, very professional, very wealthy, liberal woman who earned becoming speaker. She -- I knew Nancy back when she was the national committee woman before she came to Congress. She worked very hard as a liberal Democrat. She is about 70 miles to the left of me. And she's a tough professional. We're not personal friends but I respect that she managed to get to be Speaker of the House.
 
O'REILLY: Honest woman?
 
GINGRICH: But I want to say something, Bill, that's going to surprise you maybe. I believe conservatives have got to get in the habit of being right on the same stage and being prepared to debate what are the right things to do about the environment. And I don't think standing offstage and yelling no is a strategy.
 
O'REILLY: Well, that's what you write in your "Real Change." And that's why, you know, I think the book's a bestseller, because we have to engage the issue of, you know, the environment. It's an important Issue. And everybody should want a cleaner planet.
 
Now whether God is causing global warming or it's the carbons, nobody knows, but I agree with you.
 
But let's get back to Pelosi for a moment. She is a very, very left- wing woman, but she represents the most radical part of the country. Do her -- does she really believe in income redistribution and a soft approach to terrorism and all these other things? Does she believe that?
 
GINGRICH: I suspect she does. There was a terrific book in 2004 by two economist reporters called "The Right Country" in which they explain America. And they compared Speaker Pelosi's district and speaker Hastert's district. And they pointed out that San Francisco is different from almost anywhere else in America.
 
So, I mean, here's a person who goes back home, all of her major donors are on the left, all of her social activities on the left, all of her conversations are on the left. I suspect, you know, I mean, I happen to think that a lot of that stuff is nuts, but I think that probably she sincerely now is so surrounded by that, that she believes it. I don't think she's insincere.
 
O'REILLY: But here's - you know, if I could interview her, I would say look, you were very nice to the pope, Mrs. Speaker. And you're a Roman Catholic. You were raised that way. You still go to church.
 
And now you're the biggest pro-abortion person in the country. I mean, how do you -- what is that? You know, those are the kinds of things with Nancy Pelosi that I'm like I don't get it. I don't understand it at all. Can you reconcile that?
 
GINGRICH: No, there's not a question of reconciling. There's a whole generation of liberals who made a series of decisions that their secular values were more important than their religious values. And that's where they are. That's who they are.
 
I mean, I can - I actually respect the integrity of her position, because she would say bluntly that she disagrees with the pope. Now I'll let you get involved in what that means from a Catholic hierarchical perspective. But I think that she is an honest, hardline left wing to the left of normal liberalism. And I think that that is an accurate reflection of the district that she represents. It's very dangerous for the Democratic party because it means that their national leader is probably 40 points to the left of the country.
 
O'REILLY: All right. But she did like you. I just noticed that on the couch. She had that look. Limbaugh says you were wrong to do this. Gave you jazz and said you're playing into the hands of what Limbaugh considers the enemy. 30 seconds.
 
GINGRICH: I disagree fundamentally with Rush on this question because I believe we have a good case to make. We made it last year in contract with the earth. I'm going to keep making it. We, for example, let's invest in the clean coal plant in Illinois and prove you can use America's natural resources without damaging the environment.
 
O'REILLY: All right, Mr. Speaker. "Real Change", "Day of Infamy" coming out. Thanks very much.

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